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#810: Terry Real — The Therapist Who Breaks All The Rules

08.05.2025
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Terry Real is a nationally recognized family therapist, author, and teacher. His book I Don't Want To Talk About It: Overcoming the Secret Legacy of Male Depression, the first book ever written on the topic of male depression, is a national bestseller. His new book, Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship is a New York Times bestseller.

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Timestamps:

[] Start.

[] The pumpernickel story.

[] Wise adult, wounded child, and adaptive child.

[] Relational mindfulness.

[] Remembering love.

[] Why do we remain loyal to bad relationships?

[] The RLT stance on taking a position as a therapist.

[] Objectivity battles.

[] Entering into compassionate curiosity about your partner’s subjective experience.

[] Normal marital hatred.

[] Taking the first steps toward repair.

[] Empathizing with someone whose reality doesn’t match yours.

[] Should you stay or should you go? Understanding relational reckoning.

[] Leveraging a resistant partner toward therapy.

[] The preconditions that must be addressed before RLT can be effective.

[] Understanding covert depression in men.

[] Determining underlying depression.

[] Favored modalities for working with trauma.

[] Parsing the patriarchy.

[] Taking care of your relationship’s biosphere without being codependent.

[] Terry’s prescription for overcoming my own faulty childhood templates.

[] Pondering gender expectations and expressions.

[] Were Terry’s distinctly different boys raised similarly?

[] A good Morani vs. a great Morani.

[] The greatest achievement of Terry’s life.

[] Advice for people who want to be better parents than the ones they had.

[] The typical format of Terry’s men’s group therapy.

[] Full-respect living, group guidelines, and boundaries.

[] Comparing and contrasting Relational Life Therapy (RLT) with Internal Family Systems (IFS).

[] Modern relationship challenges — from polyamory to monogamy.

[] The research is clear: Humans are born to be intimate.

[] Toxic femininity and the new world order.

[] Relational empowerment vs. individual empowerment.

[] One up, one down.

[] From grandiosity to baseline: Relational joy vs. gratification.

[] How to learn more about Terry’s work.

[] Recommended reading.

[] Terry’s billboard.

[] Parting thoughts.

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